I wanted to get in one more blog post before we head off to visit family. I had mentioned that I would say more about Gary Taubes and his take on obesity. Here he is speaking at the Walnut Creek Public Library at a talk put on by Rivendell Bicycle Works:
I do agree with some of what he has to say. However, I feel that he oversimplifies things. He mentions in the video, and in his book Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It, that the people attempting to justify the colories in vs. calories out theory are only looking for evidence to support their theory. I feel that he is doing the same.
On the other hand, I do feel that we get in more trouble with processed carbohydrates, and sugar particularly, than we do with other food types.
However, the stories of weight loss I know best are not heavily skewed toward a meat-based diet. Scott Cutshall, whom I knew as a bicyclist and fellow at-home-parent before I found out just how large the "Large Fella On a Bike" was, eats, I believe, a vegan diet. He brought his weight down from over five hundred pounds to a normal weight. He did so mainly by eating vegan and bicycling. I'll see if I can get him to weigh in on the comments section.
Leo Baubata, of Zen Habits, also lost his weight through switching to a vegan diet, and exercising. He also quit smoking. I'm sure that helped. (Though now that I think about it, I recall Leo has a fondness for pizza, and he still eats it sparingly, so there's probably some cheese in there somewhere.)
The one time in my life where I really lost weight was a few short months where I was eating raw food. My weight dropped from my normal stable weight of 185 to about 155 in three months. I was, however, eating a lot, and much of what I was eating was dehydrated "breads" made from sprouted grains, orange juice, cayenne and cilantro. I ate a lot of hummus made from sprouted chickpeas and raw tahini as well. My problem with the raw diet is that I felt very weak much of the time, in spite of a massive, and expensive, intake of food. I was clear-headed, thinner, and my allergies where better, but in some sense, I felt like I was starving, and we were spending twice what we budget a month for food.
And speaking of expense. Gary Taubes in the video mentions a time when a scientist he was interviewing claimed the Atkins diet was boring. "It's not boring," he exclaims, and then he goes on to list a long variety of meats and cheeses. I don't know what planet he's from, but though we're not poor, we still couldn't afford to feed a family of four on a diet that made use of meat on a regular basis. Even cheddar cheese seems a little out of there in the price department some days. And so, we do eat spaghetti more than we eat steak, and if it were up to me, we'd be eating brown rice with dal and cooked greens most days, but the kids won't eat that, so the compromises tend to run toward food that I don't feel is quite as healthy as I would like, but I'm reducing my intake.
And even if carbs are turned into fat more easily than proteins, you still can't create energy. You can't get more calories out of the food than is there.
I do agree that the high-carb nature of our diets may possibly be frying our insulin regulation system, and that may be leading to many of the problems our nation is having with obesity. However, it's not just that we eat some carbs, but that we are a nation of carboholics. I think most of us are in denial about that, and I think there's some amount of not even noticing how many low-quality carbs we consume. All I know is that if I bake a dozen blueberry muffins in the morning, they'll be gone by noon. It's like we have elves that creep out of the woodwork. I don't normally buy rice cakes because I think they're probably awful on the glycemic index, but I bought some the day before yesterday, and my kids tore through them in two days. I had to be mindful myself not to reach into the package and grab one to munch as I wandered around. My biggest challenge, as always, is to have food that the kids will eat, that is healthy. I'm still constantly bombarded by complaints that there's nothing to eat in the house. "Eat some hummus and carrots," I say. "We don't like that," they reply. "Pressure cook some beans," I suggest. "No," they say. "Dad," they add, "don't buy the peanut butter from the coop that is all oily on top. Get the smooth kind from the grocery store." "That's all sugary," I tell them. "Yes," they say, with a gleam in their eyes.
The entire issue, most probably, is so complicated that there is no easy answer. I think Taubes is trying to provide his own easy answer. He has some good points, but I think he discounts other theories out of hand and ignores the pieces of underlying complexity that don't fit into his idea of the puzzle.
Oh, I should add that, out of the goals that I wrote about in the Wait Weight post, I've stopped finishing my kids' food, I'm doing a little better at not finishing off the pad thai when I make it, and I'm browsing in the kitchen during the day a little less. I also started running a short distance in the morning. It looks like my weight is about to dip back below 200 pounds, so I've lost about ten pounds. For myself, I see it, thanks to Leo's habit-based ideology, as being about changing my habits rather than dieting. I still have the occasional coffee and croissant. I'm just being more mindful about it. It's the unconscious, carboholic gorging that gets me. Eating peanut butter off a spoon can almost be like an unconscious nervous tick that goes on all day.
Ultimately, I'm a fan of veganism, though I am not, myself, a vegan. Eating a diet with no animal products, and alas, for pure vegans that includes honey as well, would go a long way in cutting back on human cruelty to animals, and would help mitigate the negative environmental impact caused by meat farming. I have never, however, done a thorough study of veganism. It's another one of those things that is given as a simple solution to a complex problem. For my part, when I was eating vegan and raw, I felt I was coming off as a little too self-righteous. "No, no -- no salmon for me thanks. I'll just have the salad." Occasionally -- and not often -- I crave meat. Is that because my body really needs something from it at that point? Or is it just some memory or whim of the mind? For now, I'm going to trust my cravings, as long as they are not for a box of cookies or a third beer.
Veganism, however, should be explored further by folks like Gary Taubes. It seems to be working for many people, at least for those with the sense to avoid processed foods.
I'm dropping into this post one last time to say that I finally got around to reading "Is Sugar Toxic?", his recent article in the New York Times. I enjoyed the article more than the book, and I agree with his assessment of sugar. I do believe he needs to expand his area of consideration to cover other types of diets that exclude processed carbs. He is a thorough researcher and an enjoyable writer. In some ways, his ideas are similar to those put forth in Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions, a cookbook I love, but she too is dedicated to the idea that vegetarianism or veganism is not a sustainable diet. I'm not ready to accept that idea.
4 comments:
Paul, try googling "mark bittman diet" and read a few of the articles. Bittman is a food writer for the NYT. He was overweight, had high blood sugar, and high cholesterol. His MD recommended meds or a vegan diet. Instead, he easts vegan until 6pm and then eats whatever for dinner. He lost a lot of weight, blood sugar normalized, cholesterol went under 200.
I tried it just because my cholesterol was a little high (209) at my last physical. Doing the part-time vegan it dropped to 180. My trygycerides also dropeed to 79.
Now I am doing it all the time because i feel it would be stupid not to. It is really easy and cheap. I still make a "normal" dinner and eat with my family each night.
It sounds like you are off to a good start.
Lynne in MD
Paul-
Got your message about your blog entry here and finally have a minute to chime in.
Hmmm, what to say?
I could start with my story-but I am bored with it and frankly it's been told & retold and is probably boring to even those that know it.
I could start with the truth that folks never really want to be inconvenienced away from their favorite things/foods even when having to make big changes for any reason -medical or otherwise.
I could start with, Taubes has never been fat or overweight, is a science writer, not a doctor or even researcher, and like Sisson--spends a fair bit of time on Google reading, pairing down, rehashing & then condensing, articles to relabel as their own work.
I could start with, while a 100% animal protein diet won't necessarily kill someone, and definitely will cause them to drop significant weight, it won't make them any more fit.
I could start with hundreds of facts that eating animals -even if the farmer or you give them a cute name & let your kids feed them & pet them pre-slaughter day- take up a lot of real estate, create enormous waste & pollution and are more prone to causing potential human conditions than mere heart disease, obesity, etc.
I could start with the simplicity of knowledge that no one, NO ONE, not ever, got heart disease, diabetes, colon cancer, et al, from eating fresh vegetables and fruit.
I could start with, promoting and the consumption of animal protein is tied into more than Taubes, Sisson, Atkins or the SB guy, or even the American Way... it's huge big business, lobbied nearly as much as war dollars, stock market salaries or the dairy council and as such, there is an agenda beyond mere obviousness. And I won't even include all the TV shows that represent eating enormous amounts of animal protein as Cool, Hip, Decadent, High Society, Frat House Fun, Tied to getting Chicks, International Travel, Leisure, etc. Nor would I mention that nearly all TV chefs are fat, getting fatter, are on Meds for high cholesterol--along with many of America's TV food show hosts (Tony Bourdain among the most famous).
I could start with the sheer irony that a certain Taubes promoter (who also sells bikes) loves fishing & a certain kind of Walton'esqe/outdoorsy vibe (that, in its own way, has become a Brand, his Brand) and thusly that whole lifestyle (market?) so, of course, he would no more consider Veganism than TiG welded bikes with carbon forks. But make no mistake: I dig the guy (but am more than a tad confused by his latest obsession with Taubes).
I could have started with any of those points, but I won't.
Why?
...because there is Truth, and there is Half Truth, and there is total Bullshit... and if I've learned anything from my own boring story it's this:
People prefer Bullshit to any Half Truth, and all Half Truths to Truth, and then -and only then- Truth when all other options have been expended. And truth be told, had I not had my own ass up against the black wall of my own abyss, I'd probably still be down for either Bullshit or Half Truths too.
-Scott
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Interesting stuff. I've been a leather wearing & honey eating vegan for 17 years and would also love for someone like Taubes to examine the diet (which is high in carbs) with an eye towards frequency of obesity and cancer & Alzheimer rates. It appears to me that pushing a diet heavy in animal products ignores the realities of climate change and peak oil and thus makes me question his thoroughness and motives (what else is he ignoring?) Oh yea, pthalates, endocrine disrupters, and the scary yet unknown effects that combinations of chemicals has on our bodies, to name but a few. Regarding his treatment of Alzheimers, he fails to mention what is for me the most curious factor in its frequency - namely that it was almost unknown more than fifty years ago. Similar to autism, the prevalence of this disease seems to not only follow the systematic degradation of our diets, but also noticeably tracks the rise of the use and prevalence of industrial chemicals in our environment. I don't think the 'chemical soup' we are exposed to on a minute by minute basis can be ruled out as a large factor in some of this story. In another instance, recent links between plasticizers and human weight gain cannot be overlooked. I think there's much more to this story.
Thanks for your great blog! :)
Kai
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